Finchem Says Nothing Changed from 2020 Cheat to 2024 [WATCH]

Arizona State Senator Mark Finchem said federal investigators are examining election issues in Maricopa County that may stretch from the 2020 election cycle through 2024, suggesting the inquiry could examine multiple election years and related processes.

Finchem discussed the ongoing investigation during a conversation with Amanda Head and journalist John Solomon, where the topic of a federal grand jury inquiry into Maricopa County election practices was raised.

Head asked Finchem what he expects the investigation to uncover as federal authorities continue reviewing election data and records.

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“What do you anticipate is going to come out? What do you want to come out from this? What’s the most damning thing?” Head asked.

Finchem responded that the investigation remains ongoing and that the legal process requires patience as investigators gather information.

“Well, every good investigation takes time, and right now, what we’re seeing is a grand jury indictment that is sealed, but also a search warrant that is part of the grand jury action,” Finchem said.

He said the investigation appears to cover a time frame that includes multiple election cycles.

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“So we don’t want to be too premature, but I do know that it covers 2020 information up to 2024 2022 probably is in the middle of that,” Finchem said.

Finchem said that election systems and procedures in Maricopa County have largely remained the same across those years.

“So when we look at that as a bracket, almost nothing was changed from 2020 to 2024 so the systems are basically the same,” Finchem said.

“The architecture is the same.”

He also pointed to voter registration changes that have taken place in Maricopa County in recent months.

“And quite frankly, I’ll go out on a limb and say the cheat is the same,” Finchem said. “Maricopa County recorder, Justin Heap, thank heavens, he’s in office.”

Finchem said the county recorder removed a large number of voter registrations that were found to be non-compliant.

“Removed over 500,000 fictitious and frankly, illegal, non compliant voter registration identities,” Finchem said. “That’s just been in the last year.”

Finchem suggested that findings from the Arizona Senate’s 2021 forensic audit could play a role in the federal inquiry.

“So with nothing changing from 2020 to 2024 I think what we’re going to see is a significant bit of movement on all the information that the Senate was able to bring out in their forensic audit back in 2021,” Finchem said.

Solomon asked Finchem whether the investigation was limited to the 2020 election or if it also includes the 2024 election cycle.

“Senator, a little while ago, the former Maricopa County Election director, Mr. Richer, put out a site saying, hey, there’s nothing about anything other than 2020,” Solomon said.

“You’re certain that 24 is also being looked into as part of this inquiry. Is that correct?”

Finchem said he believes the investigation likely includes the more recent election as well.

“I’m as certain as I can be,” Finchem said.

He said research conducted by the Election Fairness Institute has contributed information to the broader discussion surrounding election oversight.

“So the election fairness Institute has been feeding information part of our research,” Finchem said.

“We’re a 501(c)(3) research shop.”

Finchem said the organization gathers information through research and open-source intelligence as part of its work examining election processes.

“So between doing the research and pulling up open source intelligence along with piecing together some of the records, quite frankly, I think it would be irresponsible to say that 2024 is not part of the investigation,” Finchem said.

He added that federal grand jury investigations often allow prosecutors flexibility when pursuing potential wrongdoing.

“You know, FBI investigations and grand juries have a tendency to give a little bit of latitude to the US attorney to go as far as they need to to identify the players in a corrupt scheme,” Finchem said.

Finchem also referenced earlier election-related hearings held in Arizona following the 2020 election.

“And you know, some folks have said, Well, why didn’t people step forward in 2021,” Finchem said.

“My response to that is two words. Merrick Garland,” Finchem said. “Nobody could trust that guy, because all he was about was political retribution for anybody that questioned an election.”

Finchem also mentioned Arizona lawmakers who participated in hearings about election procedures.

“Wow, that’d be a guy like me,” Finchem said. “Senator Sonny Borelli, Representative Leo Biasiucci.”

Finchem said those hearings led to additional investigative steps by the Arizona Senate.

“If we had not stepped in and had a public hearing on November 30 of 2020 where we took 10 and a half hours of testimony,” Finchem said.

“The Senate would not have issued subpoenas 14 days later for all the information that is now in the hands of the FBI.”

Head later asked Finchem about potential ballot-related issues that could be examined during the investigation.

“But there were ballot issues in Arizona as well, and I think that that was probably where a lot of these problems originated,” Head said.

“Do you anticipate that that’s where most of this information is going to come out from, as opposed to things like the machines that did get a lot of attention?”

Finchem said ballot handling and verification processes may be among the areas investigators review.

“I think that’s going to be part of it,” Finchem said.

He referenced several examples of issues that have been discussed in relation to election oversight in the state.

“So we got signature verification ballots,” Finchem said.

“The affidavits had no signatures at all.”

Finchem also described additional ballot concerns he believes should be examined.

“We’ve got ballots that were allegedly mail in, ballots that were never folded,” Finchem said.

“There’s a problem.”

He also cited discrepancies between machine counts and paper ballot totals.

“And then we’ve got a mismatch, a miscount on ballots,” Finchem said.

Finchem said even relatively small discrepancies should be investigated.

“So the paper ballot count was off on the machine count,” Finchem said.

“Now, granted, the claim was, oh, it’s only 100 ballots.”

“Something’s very wrong with that picture,” Finchem said. “It shouldn’t have been any that’s the point.”

Finchem said he expects additional details to emerge as investigators continue reviewing the information.

“So I think that we’re going to see a lot of information come out,” Finchem said.

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