Vice President J.D. Vance outlined what he described as widespread waste and inefficiency in federal government spending during a recent conversation with comedian and podcaster Theo Von, offering specific examples from the opening days of the Trump administration and raising concerns about how taxpayer money is distributed through federal programs.
During the exchange, Vance recounted an incident from the administration’s first week in office that, he said, revealed how difficult it can be for senior officials to halt government payments even after a presidential order is issued.
“One of the crazy things we all figured out, like, first week or so, we’re in the White House, okay, is there was a payment that should be stuck because the President signed an executive order to stop a payment,” Vance said.
“And this is, like, day one of the White House. We’re like, Okay, how do we stop this payment? Because somebody’s trying to make this payment, and nobody knew where, like, the computer was that actually wired the money from the US taxpayer to this entity.”
Vance said the situation illustrated broader systemic problems within the federal bureaucracy.
“The amount of waste and the amount of just grift in the federal government was off the charts,” he said.
“It’s still, it’s getting better, but there’s still a lot more. I think we can find.”
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Von responded with skepticism about who might be benefiting from the spending, questioning whether individuals were personally profiting.
“Who was getting I don’t know what not. I don’t know one person that was getting that something extra. I don’t think, well, unless everybody was slurping,” Von said.
Vance replied that, in his view, many layers of the system were benefiting financially, particularly within federally funded aid programs.
“I mean, a lot of people were slurping, man,” Vance said.
“You look at a you look at what. So, for example, there are all these humanitarian programs that we have where we send money for people, for medicine, for food.”
Von acknowledged the example, replying, “Oh, Yeah.”
Vance then described what he said is a common misunderstanding among Americans about how humanitarian aid is delivered.
“But like, you think, I think, like, what I thought before I got in the government, what most Americans think is okay, so we send $100,000 to this group to buy food for like, poor kids in Africa, okay?” Vance said.
“And what actually happens is it’s not $100,000 that go to the food for the poor kids in Africa that the NGO, the non government organization that gets that money, contracts it out to somebody else, right?”
Von interjected, “So, there’s a middle man.”
“They subcontract it out,” Vance said. “There’s like three or four middlemen.”
Vance then cited an estimate he said came from Secretary of State Marco Rubio after a review of the issue.
“And what you know Marco Rubio, who’s Secretary of State, he’s a very good friend, what he told me is that his best estimate, after he had his team look at it, is that 88 cents of every dollar was actually being collected by middlemen,” Vance said.
Von reacted with disbelief. “No way,” he said.
“So every dollar we were spending humanitarian assistance, 12 cents was actually making it to people who needed it,” Vance continued.
“That’s crazy. So there’s a lot of waste. There’s a lot of waste, man, a lot of crazy stuff.”
The conversation later turned to the role of private-sector figures assisting the administration. Von asked about Elon Musk’s involvement.
“Elon was putting in a lot. Was Elon doing it for free?” Von asked.
“He was doing it for free,” Vance replied.
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