KJP Goes Completely Off The Rails Trying To Explain Why Her Book Is So Terrible

Former White House press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre went completely off the rails in an interview with The New Yorker as she tried to promote her new book.

Jean-Pierre released a book on Oct. 21 titled “Independent: A Look Inside a Broken White House, Outside the Party Lines,” in which she announced that she left the Democratic party after seeing how they betrayed former President Joe Biden. The former press secretary did an interview with The New Yorker to promote her book, which quickly turned combative as Jean-Pierre tried to explain what she wrote about. The New Yorker published a transcript of their conversation, which is detailed in excerpts below. (RELATED: Karine Jean-Pierre Can’t Figure Out Why Democrats Lost Even As She Doubles Down On ‘Woke’)

The interview starts with The New Yorker asking Jean-Pierre why she thought the Democratic party was trying to undermine Biden. After a few questions in a similar vein, Jean-Pierre starts talking about how she began to think about how to treat people and how it relates to her as a black woman.

“Sorry, I’m not trying to be dense. I’m a little unclear about what this has to do with Democratic leaders and many Democrats in the country thinking that Joe Biden was going to lose to Donald Trump—which was what the polls all showed—and therefore thinking that he should be replaced,” Isaac Chotiner of The New Yorker says.

“O.K., wait a minute. Hold on a second. Nobody knows anything. Nobody knows what would’ve happened,” Jean-Pierre replies. “People also thought that if you replace Joe Biden we were going to win, or have a better chance of winning. Millions of people who showed up in 2020 didn’t show up in 2024. We can’t forget that there was an incumbency issue as well. This is real. There are, like, several G-10 countries with incumbents who did not get reelected. There was an incumbency issue as well.”

“I’m not sure what you’re saying,” Chotiner responds.

“No, no, no. Wait a minute. You are saying that this was their thinking, and they were kind of predicting. But nobody knew what was going to happen,” Jean-Pierre argues.

“Nobody knew that Joe Biden was going to win in 2020. Nobody knew what was going to happen in 2024. People believed in their hearts that Kamala was going to win. They believed it. They saw the polling and they thought she was going to win, looking at the polling. Nobody knew anything. I’m only bringing up the polls because you brought up the polls to me,” she continues.

The New Yorker continued to press Jean-Pierre for clarity on her argument, which mirrors what she wrote in the book. In many answers, Jean-Pierre seems flustered, repeating “no, no” or “wait a minute, wait a minute.”

At one point in the interview, Chotiner points out that Jean-Pierre has both said that Biden shouldn’t have been forced out of the race and that he should have, just not the way it happened.

“But it should have happened, or shouldn’t have happened?” Chotiner asks.

“Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait,” Jean-Pierre responds. “I don’t think it should have happened. I believe that we should have done everything that we could, regardless of who was at the top of the ticket, and fought extremely hard. He was the one at the top of the ticket, and so, therefore, I believe we should have fought to make sure that Joe Biden and Kamala Harris won. That’s what I believed.”

“When he decided to run in 2023, we have to also remember what was happening at that moment. There was no red wave in the midterms. Matter of fact, the President and the Vice-President did better than any incumbent President in their first midterm. Polling was saying that it was going to be a red wave,” Jean-Pierre says, repeating an argument she made in her book.

Jean-Pierre also gets tongue-tied when asked by The New Yorker if Biden could have done the job of president for four more years.

“One could conceivably think that he could do the job through January, 2025, but that it was not wise to think he could do the job through January, 2029, right?” Chotiner asks.

“It’s not my place to say,” Jean-Pierre responds.

“What do you mean it’s not your place to say?” Chotiner follows up.

“No, no, no. Wait, I’m answering the question. I did not see anything that would cause me concern. That is my answer,” Jean-Pierre backtracks.

Jean-Pierre and The New Yorker also have a back and forth about how the former press secretary admits in her book that she did not ever think former Vice President Harris could win the election, but how simultaneously she thought it was an insult to Harris to try to force her off the ticket.

The former press secretary defends her statements but says her book is about “[her] experience.”

“I’m not trying to discount what you’re saying about Harris, but Biden is not an LGBTQ black woman, and you have the same feelings about how he was treated. This is what you keep going back to in the book,” Chotiner counters. “Sometimes I worry about losing sight of the fact that we’re dealing with a presidential election here, and the feelings of Joe Biden are less important than the fate of the country.”

“You’re telling me about the feelings of Joe Biden, blah, blah, blah, but Joe Biden is out of the picture. He’s out of the picture,” Jean-Pierre responds.

“Yeah, he sure is,” Chotiner said.

“He’s out of the picture now and we lost,” Jean-Pierre responds.

“This is what you wrote your book about. I am not bringing this up randomly,” Chotiner says.

Karine Jean-Pierre’s book subtitle is “a look inside a broken White House” but she is saying that she’s referring to the Trump White House, not the Biden one. https://t.co/w1cjI1uLQP pic.twitter.com/upanYkv2s6

— Alex Thompson (@AlexThomp) October 27, 2025

Jean-Pierre goes on to explain that she is just responding to Chotiner’s questions, adding that when she refers to going inside a “broken White House” in her book she is actually referring to the Trump administration rather than the Biden administration.

“So what are the Democratic leadership actually doing to beat back and fight back? What are they doing?” Jean-Pierre asks.

“I’m not here to answer for the Democratic leadership. I would—” Chotiner says before Jean-Pierre interjects.

“You’ve been answering for the Democratic leadership. [Laughs.] You were giving me their answers,” Jean-Pierre responds, according to the transcript.

“I didn’t talk to anyone in Democratic leadership. I was just trying to remember how I and others felt watching Joe Biden in those weeks, that it felt like he was too old to be president for another four years, and too old to win,” Chotiner says.

“And here’s the thing: That’s your experience. That’s the experience that you had,” Jean-Pierre says, and according to the transcript, the interview concludes.