Liberal Fox News Host Gets Gutted in Debate with Jesse Watters Over MS-13 Gangbanger [WATCH]

A contentious segment on Fox News’ The Five erupted Wednesday during a discussion about the deportation of Kilmar Abrego Garcia, an alleged MS-13 member, and its broader implications for U.S. immigration policy.

The exchange featured a sharp back-and-forth between co-hosts Jesse Watters and Jessica Tarlov, as well as a pointed intervention from Judge Jeanine Pirro.

The segment began with Tarlov citing polling data to suggest that the American public is shifting its view on Garcia’s deportation, which has been the subject of national debate.

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Garcia was deported to El Salvador in March as part of the Trump administration’s expanded enforcement efforts targeting gang-affiliated individuals.

“By a two-to-one margin, people think that Abrego Garcia should be returned to the United States,” Tarlov claimed, referencing public opinion in the wake of a visit to El Salvador by Sen. Chris Van Hollen (D-MD).

She suggested that initial assumptions about the significance of Garcia’s tattoos had been exaggerated.

“It seems like Trump actually did think that,” Tarlov said, referring to remarks the president made during a press conference with ABC’s Terry Moran about identifying gang members based on tattoos.

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Tarlov then cited a CBS News report that included commentary from alleged gang tattoo experts who questioned the classification of symbols on Garcia’s body.

“These experts did not say that the symbols the judge talked about — the marijuana leaf, the cross, the smiley — were gang-related,” Tarlov said.

Pirro, a former judge and prosecutor, immediately challenged that claim.

“Then they’re wrong,” Pirro interjected. “I prosecuted those cases.”

Tarlov appeared to acknowledge Pirro’s experience, replying, “Okay! That’s fine,” before reiterating her claim that public opinion on the issue has shifted.

Tarlov also referenced cases involving migrant mothers, alleging that some were deported with minimal legal recourse.

“One of them… had two minutes on the phone to talk to her husband to try to figure out what would happen to her American child,” she said. “You should be able to talk to your lawyer before you are deported, especially with your American citizen child.”

Watters responded sharply. “I’m sorry, Jessica, love you, but I don’t believe anything you say anymore. You’re wrong about everything,” he said.

He then criticized inconsistencies in the narrative surrounding Garcia.

“First he’s a Maryland dad, then actually he does have tattoos that spell MS-13. Then he was working at Home Depot,” Watters said.

“And then there’s this other tattoo expert that you have. I thought we were supposed to trust the experts, right? And all these experts say this guy’s a gangbanger and you don’t trust the experts.”

Watters questioned the notion that Garcia could associate with MS-13 members without being affiliated.

“How is it that the MS-13 ranking gang members are allowing a non-gang member to hang out with them?” he asked.

“That’s like when the feds raid a Gambino gambling den… and some guy says, ‘I’m not in the mob.’ Use your brain, Jessica.”

He concluded the exchange by outlining how the law handles deportations involving parents and children.

“When you pick up an illegal and they happen to have their kid with them, they get a choice,” Watters explained.

“Do you want to be deported with your child or assign a family member or guardian in the U.S.? If you don’t like the law, then go to Congress. Change the law.”

“Otherwise,” he said, “you just get women here breaking through the border, having babies, and they all get to stay because you feel bad.”

🔥BOOM: @JesseBWatters just delivered a pretty BRUTAL smackdown of Jessica Tarlov for her take on the “Maryland Man” with completely harmless tattoos that are definitely not MS13 related whatsoever…

TARLOV: “We were all assured that no one was dumb enough to think that it was… pic.twitter.com/17eRYP6arR

— Townhall.com (@townhallcom) April 30, 2025

The debate reflects growing tension over immigration enforcement and how cases involving individuals with alleged gang affiliations are handled in public discourse and policy.

Garcia’s deportation continues to prompt debate both inside Washington and among voters ahead of the 2026 midterms.

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