‘There Is No List’: Ghislaine Maxwell Outlines ‘Genesis’ Of Epstein Black Book Claim ‘From Its Absolute Inception’

Convicted sex trafficker Ghislaine Maxwell told Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche that registered sex offender Jeffrey Epstein had no client list, according to a transcript of a July interview released Friday.

Some of President Donald Trump’s supporters have criticized him and Attorney General Pam Bondi over the handling of the Epstein files, with the president being “ratioed” on Truth Social over the matter, Newsweek reported. During the interview, Maxwell told Blanche she had evidence to corroborate what she said about the origin of the narrative. (RELATED: Jonathan Turley Explains Why Ghislane Maxwell May Be ‘Most Dangerous Witness’ Regarding Epstein)

“So there’s been a lot of conversations about whether Mr. Epstein maintained, like, a list of people, like a book of famous people that he knew,” Blanche said, according to the transcript. “Like a, it’s called a black book or a client list or a list. Did you know of the existence of any such list?”

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“There is no list. We’ll start with that,” Maxwell responded. “The genesis of that story, I can actually trace for you from its absolute inception, if that is what you’re interested in.”

Epstein had extensive ties to celebrities, politicians and business executives, such as L Brands founder Les Wexner, film director Woody Allen and Prince Andrew, even after his 2008 guilty plea on sex charges. Microsoft co-founder Bill Gates also met with Epstein a number of times.

“So when we stopped to take a break, we were talking about what has been publicly discussed as a black book or the Epstein list. And that’s where we are,” Blanche said after a 13-minute break, according to the transcript. “So you said you think you might know or that you’re aware of kind of the origin of this narrative.”

“Right. I just want to reiterate again, there is no list that I am aware of,” Maxwell responded. “I’ve never, at any time, at least during the period of time when I was present.”

Maxwell then explained that civil suits, mostly from a law firm called Rosenstein Adler, were being filed against Epstein in the wake of his 2008 guilty plea, and that the firm was demanding $10 million from her then-boyfriend, Ted Waitt — to keep her out of the suits.

“So there’s a metamorphosis of this list. So the original statement that Brad Edwards makes, that’s in the documents contemporaneously, is that it’s pieces of paper that Alfredo has,” Maxwell said. “It then morphs into something that Alfredo took a book, that Alfredo took from Epstein’s computer, but there’s no computer I know.  Certainly not in 2005 when this was allegedly taken, that came out as a book.” (RELATED: ‘Say It Directly’: Scott Jennings Calls Out Ana Navarro Over Trump-Epstein Insinuation)

“And then it morphed into, at the civil time — my civil case, into a book that was taken from my computer,” Maxwell said. “And then it morphed into the Southern District of New York as a combination list of mine and Epstein’s. That is a metamorphosis through documents that you can trace.”

Epstein reportedly committed suicide in his Manhattan jail cell while awaiting trial after he was arrested in 2019 on new charges.

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